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Obverse 1 & 2
1838 - 1868
Right from the start of Victoria's reign,1838, it appears
as if there were problems with all of the colon dots
after D: G: BRITANNIAR : and especially after F: D:
This page concentrates only on those of F: D:
As to their rarity or importance as varieties - who knows ?
I would suggest that none of these varieties add to
the value of the coin and can be treated as just
interesting repairs !
These are the ones I have come across so far !
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All are Obverse 1 or 2 - with colon dots - type A to At
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I have listed as
Type A - 2 colon dots after F: D: (Align to back of bust)
Type A1 - 2 colon dots after F: & 3 after D:. (Align as per Type A)
Type Aa - 2 colon dots after F: & 3 after D:. (Align as per Type A)
Type Ab - 2 colon dots after F: D: (New alignments after D:)
Type Ac - 2 colon dots after F: D: (New alignments after D:)
Type Ad - 2 colon dots after F: D: (New alignments after D:)
Type Ae - 2 colon dots after F: & 3 after D.:
Type Af - 2 colon dots after F:. & 3 after D::
Type Ag - 2 ½ colon dots after F.: & 3 after D.:
Type Ah - 2 ½ colon dots after F.: & 3 ½ after D.:
Type Ai - 3 colon dots after F.: & 3 after D.:
Type Aj - 2 colon dots after F & 4 colon dots after D::
Type Ak - 3 colon dots after F.: & 4 after D::
Type Am - 3 ½ colon dots after F:: & 3 ½ colon dots after D::
Type An - 3 ½ colon dots after F:: & 3 ½ colon dots after D::
Type Ap - 2 colon dots after F: D: (front of D below bust)
Type As - 2 colon dots after F: & 3 after D.: (1 dot on D !)
Type At - 2 colon dots after F & D (Inner dot cuts into the D)
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These varieties are listed for information purposes only
There are probably more !
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ST (1838-60) - Type A 2 colon dots after F: D: Align to Victoria's back |
ST (1838-60) - Type A1 2 colon dots after F: 3 colon dots after D:. |
ST (1838-60) - Type Aa 2 colon dots after F: 3 colon dots after D:. |
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ST (1838-60) A - The lower colon dot after the D: is weaker or smaller in size to the one closest
to the border. Note that the colon dots after the D: line up to the corner of the
back of Victoria's bust. [As seen on an 1840 3d]
ST (1838-60) A1 - The 'main' colon dots are similar to Type A and align to the back of
Victoria's bust - except now there is an extra 'small' colon dot just below
the colon dot after D:. closest to the border teeth [As seen on an 1848 3d].
ST (1838-60) Aa - The 'main' colon dots are similar to Type A and align to the back of
Victoria's bust - except now there is an extra 'small' colon dot outside the
main colon dot after D:. (furthest from the border teeth and closest to the
back of Victoria's bust). [As seen on an 1847 3d].
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ST (1838-60) - Type Ab 2 colon dots after F: D: Different dot alignment |
ST (1838-60) - Type Ac 2 colon dots after F: D: Different dot alignment |
ST (1838-60) Ab - There are 2 colon dots after F: D: and the colon dots after D: now do not
align with the back of Victoria's bust but point just to the left of her back.
[As seen on an 1856 3d].
ST (1838-60) Ac - The lower colon dot after D: (the one furthest from the edge) has been
entered slightly further up from the base of the D. The colon dots after D:
are in a similar alignment as per Type Ab to the back of Victoria's bust but
those colon dots are now closer together than on Type Ab. The lower colon
dot after D: is now slightly further from the back of Victoria's bust.
[As seen on an 1856 3d].
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ST (1838-60) - Type Ad 2 colon dots after F: D: Different dot alignment |
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ST (1838-60) Type Ae - 2 colon dots after F: 3 colon dots after D.: |
ST (1838-60) Ad - The lower colon dot after D: (the one furthest from the edge) has been
entered slightly below the base of the D. The colon dots after D: are in
a similar alignment as per Type Ab & Ac to the back of Victoria's bust
but those colon dots are now further apart than on Type Ab & Ac.
The lower colon dot after D: is now closer to the back of Victoria's bust.
[As seen on an 1856 3d].
ST (1838-60) Ae - 2 colon dots after F: & 3 colon dots after D.: of F: D:
After the D there is small dot just before the colon dots (lower & before)
[As seen on an 1838 3d].
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ST (1838-60) Type Af - 2 colon dots after F: 3 colon dots after D.: |
ST (1838-60)Type Ag - 2 ½ colon dots after F.: 3 colon dots after D.: |
ST (1838-60) Type Ah - 2 ½ colon dots after F:. 3 ½ colon dots after D:: |
ST (1838-60) Af - 2 colon dots after F: & 3 colon dots after D.: of F: D:
After the D there is small dot just before the colon dots (lower & before) as
per Type Ae but now the lower dot is larger and lower.
The 'extra' dot is below the lower colon dot and aligns with the back
of Victoria's truncated back ! [Seen on an 1847 3d].
ST (1838-60) Ag - There are 2 ½ colon dots after F.: the part dot is before and slightly
below the lower colon dot.
There are 3 colon dots after D.: The 'extra' dot is just before and below
the lower colon dot and aligns with the back of Victoria's truncated back !
ST (1838-60) Ah - 2 ½ colon dots after F:.3 ½ colon dots after D:: of F: D:
After the F there is a tiny part colon dot sticking out of the top right colon dot.
After the D there is small dot just before the colon dots (lower & before) as
per Type Ae but now there is also a small part dot sticking out of the top
colon dot (just above and to the left - closest to the border).
The 'extra' dot is just below the lower colon dot and aligns with the back
of Victoria's truncated back ! [As seen on an 1838 3d].
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ST (1838-60) Type Ai - 3 colon dots after F.: 3 colon dots after D.: |
ST (1838-60) Type Aj - 2 colon dots after F: 4 colon dots after D:: |
ST (1838-60) Type Ak - 3 colon dots after F.: 4 colon dots after D:: |
ST (1838-60) Ai - There are 3 colon dots after F.: the 'extra' dot is before and slightly
below the lower colon dot.
There are 3 colon dots after D.: The 'extra' dot is just below the lower
colon dot and aligns with the back of Victoria's truncated back !
ST (1838-60) Aj - There are 2 colon dots after F: and 4 colon dots after D::
The 'extra' dots are very small colon dots and aligns with the back
of Victoria's truncated back ! [As seen on an 1838 3d].
ST (1838-60) Ak - There are 3 colon dots after F.: and 4 ½ colon dots after D::
As per Type Aj The 'extra' dots are very small colon dots and aligns
with the back of Victoria's truncated back ! [As seen on an 1843 3d].
The 'extra' dot after F is just before and below the lower colon dot
The 'extra' dot after D is before and below the lower colon dot and
there are 2 half colon dots before the lower colon dot.
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ST (1838-60) Type Am - 3 ½ colon dots after F:: 3 ½ colon dots after D:: |
ST (1845) Type An - Similar to Am 3 ½ colon dots after F:: 3 ½ colon dots after D:: |
ST (1858) Type Ap - 2 colon dots after F: D: colon dots at odd angles Front of D below back |
ST (1838-60) Am - There are 3 ½ colon dots after F:: and 3 ½ colon dots after D::
Very similar to Aj & Ak - but with the half dots in different places.
The 'extra' dot is before F and the half dot is below the lower colon dot.
The 'extra' dot is before D and the half dot is below the lower colon dot.
ST 1845 An - here are 3 ½ colon dots after F:: and 3 ½ colon dots after D::
Very similar to Am - but with the half dots in different places.
The 'extra' dot is before F and the half dot is below the lower colon dot.
The 'extra' dot is before D and the half dot is attached to lower colon dot.
ST 1858 Ap - The colon dot, after F, closest to the edge, is now very close to the F making
the lower colon appear further from the F. The colon dots appear to lean forward.
The opposite can be seen after D as the colon dot, closest to the edge, is now
away from D and the inner colon dot is closer to the D. The colon dots appear to
lean backward.
*The front part of the D is now in alignment just under Victoria's truncation
back whereas in the other earlier dies the front of the D is just before Victoria's back.
See earlier images A to Ak.
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ST (1859) Type Ar - 2 colon dots after F: 2 colon dots D: |
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ST (1857) Type As - 2 colon dots after F: 3 colon dots D. 2 of dots on D ! |
ST (1863) Type At - 2 colon dots after F: 2 colon dots D. Inner dot cuts into D |
ST 1858 Ar - The colon dot, after F, closest to the truncation, is closer to the F and the
colon dot close to the border teeth is further from the F. The colon dots appear
to lean backwards. The opposite to that as shown on Ap. The colon dots after
D: also lean backwards.
*The front part of the D is now in alignment just under Victoria's truncation
back whereas in the other earlier dies the front of the D is just before Victoria's back.
See earlier images A to Ak.
ST 1857 As - This is a bit of a mess by a repairer - there is an extra colon dot ON the front
section of the D ! The colon dot nearest the border is very close to the D and
the one furthest from the border is partly on the D !
*Sorry about the picture quality but it is not one of my coins it was sent to me
- courtesy of BP. [Seen on an 1857 3d]
ST 1857 At - The colon dots after F: are in the normal alignment. The colon dots after D:
are very close to the D, the inner dot has forced a slight indent to the lower
front of the D so as to make space for the colon dot. The alignment of these
dots are directly to the back of Victoria's truncated neck and much closer to the
truncation than the earlier examples.
Further D: G: & F: D: Colon dot anomalies
With Obverse 2 from 1861 to 1867
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| ST 1861 W - Obv. D: G: | ST 1861 X - Obv. D. G. | ST 1861 Y - Obv. D G | ||
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ST 1861 W - Obv. F. D. |
ST 1861 X - Obv. F. D. |
ST 1861 Y - Obv. F. D. |
ST 1861 W - Obv. D: G: (Full colon dots).
F. D. (Only the Top colon dots are clear). However, by tilting the coin
at various angles one can just make out very faint lower colon dots !
ST 1861 X - Obv. D. G. (Only the bottom colon dots are clear)
F. D. (Only the bottom colon dot is clear after F.)
(Only the top colon dot is clear after D.) However, by tilting the
coin at various angles one can just make out very faint lower colon dots !
ST 1861 Y - Obv. D. G. (NO colon dots appear to show !)
F. D. (Only the top colon dot is clear after F. D.) However, by tilting the
coin at various angles one can just make out a very faint colon dot after F
* This sort of wear on the colon dots for DG & FD is unusual to see even in lower grade
coins ! I have not experience this for other 1838 to 1861 silver 3d. I have other 1861 3ds
in low grade but the colons dots are clearer. Very faint traces can be found for some of
the missing dots but only by tilting the coin and examining very closely.
These are the examples that I have found for 1861 there might well be others.
These missing colon dots can also be found on 1862; 1863; 1864 & 1865 3ds in much
higher grades - even in coins up to EF or better ! I have not found any for 1866 - so far !
As I examine and add the 3ds from 1862 to 1865 if I find any other missing colon dots
variations I will add them to this page for continuity.
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| ST 1862 X - Obv. D. G. | ST 1863 X - Obv. D. G. | ST 1864 X - Obv. D. G. | ||
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ST 1862 X - Obv. F. D. |
ST 1863 X - Obv. F. D. |
ST 1864 X - Obv. F. D. |
ST 1862 X - Obv. D. G. (Only the bottom colon dots are clear)
F. D. (Only the bottom colon dot is clear after F.)
(Only the top colon dot is clear after D.) However, by tilting the
coin at various angles one can just make out very faint lower colon dots !
* This example is a much clear better grade example to that of ST 1861 X - which
confirm that this Obverse die was used for both dates.
ST 1863 X - Obv. D. G. (Only the bottom colon dots are clear)
The G has a double serif at the top
F. D. (Only the bottom colon dot is clear after F.)
(Only the top colon dot is clear after D.) However, by tilting the
coin at various angles one can just make out very faint lower colon dots !
The F is double struck as is the D but no attempt to correct the colon error.
ST 1864 X - Obv. D. G. (Only the bottom colon dots are clear)
The D is Double struck. The G has a double serif at the top (double struck !)
F. D. (Only the bottom colon dot is clear after F.)
(Only the top colon dot is clear after D.)
The D is Double struck. Plus there is an additional colon dot - above and
to the left of the F - just below the border teeth - RED arrow.
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| ST 1865 Xb - Obv. D. G. | ST 1867 AZ - Obv. D. G. | |
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ST 1865 Xb - Obv. F. D. |
ST 1867 AZ -Obv. F: D |
ST 1865 Xb - Obv. D. G. (Only the bottom colon dots are clear)
The D has a trace of being double struck.
F. D. (Only the bottom colon dot is clear after F.)
(Only the top colon dot is clear after D.)
The D is partly open at the top - just off centre and in need of repair !
ST 1867 AZ - Obv. D: G: (Full colon dots).
F: D (Full colons after F: - NO colon dots after D)
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