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[GR]  GB  GROATS 1836 - 1888

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Information on the "BRITANNIA(R)" Groat

The coin

Has a diameter of 16mm (the same as for the silver 3d)

It is thicker (than the silver 3d) and has a milled edge. 

It weighs 1.9 grams (The silver 3d 1.3 grams)

The obverse die for the William IV (1836 & 1837) series

& the Victoria Young head series (1838 to 1862 [Proof])

 is the same as that used for the silver 3d of that period.

The obverse die for the 1888 Groat is unique to the 

Groat as the legend has D: G: BRITANNIAR

where as the 3d has DEI GRATIA  BRITT:

* The Maundy 4d is slightly wider at 17mm and plain edge

the weight is the same at 1.9 grams

Historical information

In the UK (England) the MP Joseph Hume campaigned

for the re-introduction of the 4d (Groat) last made for 

currency in the period of 'Hammered' coin in the mid 1600

(not counting the Maundy 4d) as it was the Hansom cab

fare for the shortest journey. This coin was not popular

with the Hansom cab drivers as they had been used to

being offered a 6d for the fare and the 2d change

was quite often give as a "Tip" as they generally

said that they had no change ! 

This coin became known as a "Joey" (after Joseph Hume).

 Some time after the Groat was withdrawn in the UK in

1887 the term 'Joey' became known as the '3d Joey'

The early Groats we struck for use in the UK,

however, they were extremely popular and used

extensively in the West Indies and British Guiana

where currency was in short supply and the Groat

was valued the same as a "Bitt" or 8 Cents (W. Indies)

or 1/4 Guilder (B. Guiana).

The 4d fell out of favour in 1845, in the UK, due to the

introduction of the silver 3d into circulation. The 3d

from 1834 to 1844 were basically for Colonial use.

The size being in the same for both coins was

another factor for the decline in use of the 4d in the UK.

The 1888 Groat (last date) was made for exclusive use 

in British Guinea. In 1891 British Guiana had their own

4 pence coin made with the re-introduction of Young

Queen Victoria (coronet head) on the obverse and

British Guyana & West Indies legend on the reverse,

with a crowned Four Pence in the centre.

William IV   1831 - 1837

1836 - 2 Obverse dies

Obv. 1  I of GULIELMUS to a border tooth
Obv. 2  I of GULIELMUS to gap between 2 teeth - RARE 
GR 1836 A 1 + A  [D. 380] - Bright pAS 125.00
GR 1836 A 1 + A  [D. 380] - Bright EF+-pAS 95.00
GR 1836 A 1 + A  [D. 380] - Light tone EF+-pAS 95.00
GR 1836 A 1 + A  [D. 380] - Light tone EF+ 85.00
GR 1836 A 1 + A  [D. 380] - Toned EF-EF+ 75.00
GR 1836 A 1 + A  Obv. Slightly proof-like field EF/EF+ 75.00
GR 1836 A 1 + A  [D. 380] EF 55.00
GR 1836 A 1 + A  [D. 380]  Obv. Tiny scuff by face EF/EF+ 45.00
GR 1836 A 1 + A  [D. 380] EF? 40.00
GR 1836 A 1 + A  [D. 380] VF+-EF? 35.00
GR 1836 A 1 + A  Obv. Rim very weakly struck
along left edge.   Rev. Tiny metal flaw
 at edge 7 o'clock EF? 30.00
GR 1836 A 1 + A  Rev. Pin-head size attempt to
at top (12 o'clock). Does not show on Obv. EF 25.00
GR 1836 A 1 + A  [D. 380] VF?/VF 15.00
GR 1836 A 1 + A  [D. 380]
GR 1836 A 1 + A  [D. 380] Fair-F 4.50
GR 1836 A 1 + A  [D. 380] Fair 3.50
GR 1836 B 2 + A  (Larger head) - Very scarce VF 85.00

1837 - 3 Obverse dies

Obv. 1  I of GULIELMUS to tooth; B of BRIT~ to tooth
Obv. 2  I of GULIELMUS to gap;  R of REX to tooth
Obv. 3  I of GULIELMUS to gap;  R of REX to gap
GR 1837 A 1 + A  [D. 383] Scarce obv. type pAS 245.00
GR 1837 A 1 + A  [D. 383]  Choice toned EF+ 195.00
GR 1837 A 1 + A  [D. 383]  Brightish EF-EF+ 150.00
GR 1837 A 1 + A  [D. 383]  Bright EF?-EF 115.00
GR 1837 A 1 + A  [D. 383] Fine 12.50
GR 1837 A 1 + A  [D. 383] Fair 6.50
GR 1837 B 2 + A  Obv. Die crack at 8 o'clock  EF+ 195.00
GR 1837 B 2 + A  VF-VF+ 45.00
GR 1837 B 2 + A   F+ 16.50
GR 1837 B 2 + A   Fine 12.50
GR 1837 C 3 + A  Full colon dots after BRITANNIAR : EF+

145.00

GR 1837 C 3 + A  Full colon dots after BRITANNIAR : EF-EF+ 115.00
GR 1837 C 3 + A  Weak top colon dot after BRIT ~ : EF 85.00
GR 1837 C 3 + A  Weak top colon dot after BRIT ~ : EF? 50.00
GR 1837 C 3 + A    Fair 6.00
GR 1837 D 3 + A  Stop only after BRITANNIAR . EF 115.00
GR 1837 D 3 + A  Stop only after BRITANNIAR .

          Obv.Slight indent on neck

EF?-EF 90.00
GR 1837 D 3 + A  Stop only after BRITANNIAR . VF+ 65.00
GR 1837 D 3 + A  Stop only after BRITANNIAR . F+ 35.00
GR 1837 E 3 + A  Virtually NO colon dots ! F 50.00
GR 1837 F 3 + A  Date: 7 over 7 F-F+ 45.00

For lower grades see our Silver bullion section

Victoria  [Young head / Jubilee head]   1838 - 1888

  

From 1838 to 1841 most obverses I have

seen have an extra colon dot - 

(below) the 2 colon dots after F

sometimes the extra dot is missing or unclear

 & an extra colon dot (below & between) 

the D colon dots.

The one with the D is more pronounced. 

The D has also been seen doubled in 1839

GR 1838 A

Bright

pAS 125.00
GR 1838 A

Toned

pAS 125.00
GR 1838 A

Light tone around legend

EF+-pAS 115.00
GR 1838 A

Bright

EF+ 90.00
GR 1838 A

Bright with a hint of tone

EF 65.00
GR 1838 A

Bright

EF? 45.00
GR 1838 A

Bright - lightly polished

EF? 35.00
GR 1838 A

Obv. A couple of tiny hair-line scratches

on Victoria's cheek & hair by her ear

EF?/EF 20.00
GR 1838 B Date: 8 over 8 sideways - Bright  EF+-pAS 185.00
GR 1838 B Date: 8 over 8 sideways - Toned EF+ 165.00
GR 1838 B Date: 8 over 8 sideways - Toned F/VF? 45.00

1839 - 3 date types

Type A  Date: Normal size (larger) 9
Type B  Date: As above with under-strike 9
Type C  Date: Smaller 9 - bottom part filled in
GR 1839 A Fair 6.00
GR 1839 B Obv. D of F.: D.: doubled & (Extra dots) EF?-EF 90.00
GR 1839 B Obv. D of F: D: doubled & (Extra dots)

(as per picture above 1838)

VF+/VF 35.00
GR 1839 C

Choice - light tone around legend

EF+-pAS 175.00
GR 1839 C

Obv. Deep tone

Rev. Nice ghosting image. Lighter tone EF+ 160.00
GR 1839 C VF+ 35.00
GR 1839 C F+/VF 18.00
GR 1839 C Fair-F 9.00

1840 - date varieties

Type A - Date: Flat top 4.
Type B - Rev. Reads PCNCE for PENCE
Type C - Date: Slightly larger pointed top 4
Type D - Date: The 4 is tall & slim
Type E - Date: The 40 are smaller
GR 1840 A Type A - Date: Flat top 4 

Die flaw through the 4

EF+ 150.00
GR 1840 A Type A - Date: Flat top 4 
Rev. Possibly double struck !    Bright EF 90.00
GR 1840 A Type A - Date: Flat top 4  

Numerals slightly doubled  

EF? 60.00
GR 1840 B Type B - Date: Flat top 4
Rev. Reads PCNCE - very rare VF+/EF? 750.00
GR 1840 B Type B - Date: Flat top 4
Rev. Reads PCNCE - rare Fine 150.00
GR 1840 B Type B - Date: Flat top 4
Rev. Reads PCNCE - rare Poor/Fair? 40.00
GR 1840 C Type C - Date: Pointed top 4    
Rev. N over N in PENCE  EF+-pAS 175.00
GR 1840 C Type C - Date: Pointed top 4    
Rev. Ghosting. Die flaw - 3 o'clock  EF+-pAS 165.00
GR 1840 C Type C - Date: Pointed top 4 EF?-EF 85.00
GR 1840 C Type C - Date: Pointed top 4   
Rev. Ghosting. Die flaw - 4 o'clock  F+ 12.00
GR 1840 Ca Type  C - Date: Pointed top 4  
Obv. extra strikings dots to the F: D:    VF+-EF? 60.00
GR 1840 Ca Type  C - Date: Pointed top 4  
Obv. extra strikings dots to the F: D:    F+/VF? 16.50
GR 1840 D Type  D - Date: Tall, slim, pointed top 4    Fair?/+ 20.00
GR 1840 E Type  E - Date: Smaller 40    Fair/F 20.00
GR 1840 E Type  E - Date: Smaller 40    Poor/Fair? 8.50

1841 is a scarce and elusive date and is 

usually missing from most dealers and

auction lists. Over the last 15 years I have

bought many of the examples that have 

appeared on the market. They range from

pAS to Poor (but with a clear date).

I now list this collection below

Davies lists a variety for 1841. 

"small "N" in PENCE."

Which I cannot or have not found in

over 20 years of looking.

I feel that this variety seems unlikely as

that would require a completely new

reverse die with this legend font to have

been cut and used !

All of the "N" appear small but in fact all

of the letters in PENCE align to the border

teeth in every example seen from 1836 to

1855 as the same reverse die seems to

have been used with only the date

style and font being changed.

I would be very pleased if someone

could show me an example of this die

with a smaller "N" than those on the

normal reverse !

1841 - date varieties

Type A - Date: Pointed top 4 with T tail end - 1 to tooth
Type Aa - Date: Pointed top 4 with T tail end - 1 to gap
Type B - Date: 4 with a triangular tail end - Ext. Rare
Type C - Date: Last 1 of date over inverted 1 (Roman  I)
GR 1841 A

Brilliant  -  Scarce date

EF+-pAS 315.00
GR 1841 A

Light tone around legend - Scarce date

VF/VF+ 60.00
GR 1841 A

Scarce date

VF?/VF 40.00
GR 1841 A

Scarce date

Fair?/F 10.00
GR 1841 Aa

Nicely toned - Scarce date

pAS 325.00
GR 1841 Aa

 Nice dark tone - Scarce date

EF+ 295.00
GR 1841 Aa

Date: Die flaw     Bright - Scarce date

EF+ 285.00
GR 1841 Aa

Bright - Scarce date

EF?-EF 195.00
GR 1841 Aa

Bright  - Scarce date

VF+-EF? 100.00
GR 1841 Aa

Obv. Faint hairline scratch    Scarce date

VF/VF+ 50.00
GR 1841 Aa

Scarce date

Fine 25.00
GR 1841 Aa

Scarce date

Fair-F 18.00
GR 1841 B

Rev. Massive die cracks         

Date: The 4 has a triangular tail end !

EF 650.00
GR 1841 C

Date: Last 1 over inverted 1 (Roman I)

Fair/F 185.00
GR 1841 C

Date: Last 1 over inverted 1 (Roman I)

Poor/+ 50.00

1842 - date varieties

Type A - Date: Pointed top 4 with T tail end 
Type B - Date: 2 over 1 - Pointed top 4 with T tail end
GR 1842 A

Bright

VF+/EF? 50.00
GR 1842 A

Darkish tone

VF+/EF? 42.00
GR 1842 A VF?/VF 26.00
GR 1842 A VF? 20.00
GR 1842 A F+/VF? 16.00
GR 1842 A Fine/F+ 12.00
GR 1842 A Fair 7.50
GR 1842 A Fair?/F 5.00
GR 1842 B Date: 2 over 1  - RARE VF+/EF? 250.00

1843 - date varieties

Type A - Date: Pointed top 4 with T tail end  (wide date)
Type Aa - Date: Pointed top 4 with T tail end (average)
Type Ab - Date: Pointed top 4 with T tail end (narrow)
GR 1843 A Date: Wide Fine/F+ 15.00
GR 1843 A Date: Wide Fair/F 10.00
GR 1843 Aa Date: (Average width) Fine/F+ 15.00
GR 1843 Aa Date: (Average width) Fair/F 10.00
GR 1843 Ab Date: (Narrow) Fair? 6.50

1844 - date varieties

Type A - Date: Pointed top 4 with T tail end  (Large 44)
Type Aa - Date: 4 as per Type A  (Large 4 4) [wider]
Type Ab - Date: Pointed top 4 with T tail end (small 44)
GR 1844 A

Date: Large 44   Choice pale green tone

pAS 200.00
GR 1844 A

Date: Large 44   Bright - hint of pale tone

pAS 195.00
GR 1844 A

Date: Large 44 

Fine/F+ 12.50
GR 1844 A

Date: Large 44 - Slightly scuffy

Fine 8.00
GR 1844 Aa Date: Large 44 [Slightly wider apart]
Date: Die flaw through 1st 4 F+/VF? 20.00
GR 1844 Ab Date: Slightly smaller 44  Bright EF+-pAS 265.00

1845 - date 

Type A - Date: Flat top 4 with slant-up tail
GR 1845 A Fair 12.00
GR 1845 A Fair?/Fair 7.50

1846 - date 

Type A - Date: Flat top 4 with slant-up tail
GR 1846 A

Bright

EF+ 195.00
GR 1846 A

Dark and slightly pitted

F+ 12.00
GR 1846 A Fair/F 10.00
GR 1846 A Fair?/Fair 5.00

1847 - date 

Date: 7 over 8  Extremely rare
GR 1847 A Date: 7 over 8  Extremely Rare Fair/F+ 375.00

1848 - varieties

Type A   Obv. G over G sideways in D: G:
Type B   Date: Small 4
Type C   Date: Large 4
Type D   Date: 8 over 6 (4 as type B)
Type E   Date: 8 over 7 (4 as type A)
GR 1848 A Type A  Obv. G over G sideways in D: G:

Unlisted - New variety - Very Rare

VF+/EF? 450.00
GR 1848 B Type B Out of

stock

GR 1848 C Type C Out of

stock

GR 1848 D Type D  Date: 8 over 6 F/F+ 30.00
GR 1848 D Type D  Date: 8 over 6 Fair 10.00
GR 1848 Da Type D  Date: 8 over 6
Rev. Die crack - line runs through back of 6 F/F+ 30.00
GR 1848 E Type E  Date: 8 over 7 Out of

stock

1849 - 3 date types

Type A - Date: Flat top 4 & slant up tail
Type Aa - Date: Smaller flat top 4 & slant up tail

Type B - Rev. 1st E of PENCE double struck 

              Date:  Pointed over flat top 4 & slant up tail

Type C - Date: Flat top 4 & Triangular - bar tail
Type D - Date: Flat top 4 & T- bar tail
Type Da - Date: Tall - slim 4 ?? & T- bar tail
GR 1849 A Type A Fair/F 8.50
GR 1849 Aa Type Aa F+/VF? 17.50
GR 1849 Aa Type Aa F/F+ 10.00
GR 1849 B Type B  Rev. 1st E of PENCE repaired    pAS 350.00
GR 1849 B Type B  Rev. 1st E of PENCE repaired F+/VF? 40.00
GR 1849 B Type B  Rev. 1st E of PENCE repaired Fair?/+ 15.00
GR 1849 C Type C  Date: Triangular - bar tail pAS 350.00
GR 1849 C Type C  Date: Triangular - bar tail EF+/pAS 325.00
GR 1849 C Type C  Date: Triangular - bar tail Fair?/+ 15.00
GR 1849 D Type D  Date: Flat top 4 & T - bar tail EF/EF+ 150.00
GR 1849 D Type D  Date: Flat top 4 & T - bar tail Fair 6.50
GR 1849 D Type D  Date: Flat top 4 & T - bar tail Fair?/F 6.00
GR 1849 Da Type Da  Date: Tall - slim 4 ? T - bar tail Fair 15.00

1851 - date

Type A   Date: Large 51
GR 1851 A Type A Out of 

stock

1852 - date

Type A   Date: Slightly large 52
GR 1852 A Type A Out of 

stock

1853 - Proof

Type P1   Date: Larger 3 (Proof)
Type P1a   Date: Larger 3 - worn die (Proof)
Type P2   Obv. Larger head   Date: Different 5 (Proof)
GR 1853 P Type P (Proof) Out of 

stock

1854 - varieties

BRITANNIAR below has been shortened to BR~IAR
BR~IAR - Type 1   Final R :
BR~IAR - Type 2   Final R..  (Colon colon touches R)
BR~IAR - Type 3   Final R : (R foot below colon dot)
F: D.:  Type A   (Extra lower part colon dot)
F: D:   Type B   (Lower colon dot very close to D)
F: D:   Type C   (As Type B - D is double struck)
Date -   With or without extended foot (die flaw ?!) 
1854 A =   Type 1 + A
1854 Aa = Type 1 + B
1854 B =   Type 2 + B
1854 C =   Type 3 + B
1854 Ca = Type 3 + C
GR 1854 A Type 1 + A   Date: Extended foot EF 115.00
GR 1854 A Type 1 + A  Date: Extended foot
Obv. Tiny indent on neck.
Rev. Short hairline scratch at left field F+/VF 20.00
GR 1854 A Type 1 + A Fair/F+ 8.50
GR 1854 A Type 1 + A Fair/F 6.00
GR 1854 Aa Type 1 + B                         Nicely toned EF+-pAS 195.00
GR 1854 Aa Type 1 + B                         Well toned VF/VF+ 35.00
GR 1854 Aa Type 1 + B                         Brightish VF?/VF 25.00
GR 1854 Aa Type 1 + B Fair/F+ 10.00
GR 1854 Aa Type 1 + B Fair/F 8.00
GR 1854 Aa Type 1 + B Fair 5.00
GR 1854 Aa Type 1 + B Fair?/+ 4.00
GR 1854 B Type 2 + B   "Kicking the football" VF+/EF? 65.00
GR 1854 B Type 2 + B   "Kicking the football" Fair/F 12.00
GR 1854 C Type 3 + B Fair/F+ 15.00
GR 1854 Ca Type 3 + C  Rev. Slight scratch VF/VF+ 35.00

1855 - date varieties

1855 A =   Date: Type 1  (Wide date)
1855 Aa = Date: Type 2  (Narrow date)
1855 B =   Date: Type 3  1st 5 over 5
1855 C =   Date: Type 4  2nd 5 over 5
1855 Ca =  Date: Type 5  2nd 5 over part of 5
GR 1855 A Date: Wide F+/VF 18.50
GR 1855 A Date: Wide Fair/F+ 8.00
GR 1855 A Date: Wide Fair?/+ 4.00
GR 1855 Aa Date: Narrow Fair/+ 7.50
GR 1855 Aa Date: Narrow Fair?/+ 5.00
GR 1855 B Date: 1st 5 over 5 Fine/F+ 22.50
GR 1855 C Date: 1st 5 over 5 F+/VF 25.00
GR 1855 Ca Date: 1st 5 over part of 5 Fair 7.50
GR 1855 Ca Date: 1st 5 over part of 5 Fair?/+ 5.00

1857 - Proof

1857 P - Proof issue only
GR 1857 P Proof Out of 

stock

1862 - Proof

1862 P - Proof issue only
GR 1862 P Proof Out of 

stock

1888 - date varieties

1888 A   Date: Type 1  (Wide date)
1888 Aa  Date: Type 2  (Narrow date)
GR 1888 A Date: Type 1 (Wide date)     Hint of tone pAS 175.00
GR 1888 A Date: Type 1 (Wide date)     Bright VF+/EF? 65.00
GR 1888 A Rev. Several small edge digs EF+/EF 55.00
GR 1888 A Date: Type 1 (Wide date)     Slight tone VF+/EF? 50.00
GR 1888 A Date: Type 1  Brightish-slightly dull VF?/VF+ 35.00
GR 1888 Aa Date: narrower           Bright- hint of tone EF+ 150.00
GR 1888 Aa Date: narrower                     Bright EF 85.00
GR 1888 Aa Date: narrower                     Bright EF? 70.00
GR 1888 Aa Date: narrower                     Bright VF/VF+ 45.00
GR 1888 Aa Date: narrower                     Bright F/VF 15.00

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